But I don’t know if it’s a significant enough improvement. Only Slot 1 will work with the fastest UHS II cards that are needed for recording the highest quality 4K video. It is possible to power the camera though the USB port (indeed that’s how you charge the battery, as no separate battery charger is supplied as standard, a deficiency). Finally we have the ISO setting. It’s also great for video. Unless you actually read the full-length 642-page PDF manual (you have to download it), you won’t know about it. The Sony would perform better in an ISO Invariancy “face-off” if its ISOs were kept above 640, to keep all the images within the Sony’s upper ISO range of its dual-gain sensor design, with two ranges (100 to 400, and 640 on up). To the eye, the Sony and Nikon look very similar for noise levels, just as in the moonlit scene. Because the camera applies the Creative Style to the LCD and EVF displays. In real life images, such as I have shown, it makes very little difference even in deep-sky images which are the most demanding of star quality. The lower weight can be helpful for use on lightweight telescopes, on small motion control devices, and for simply keeping weight and bulk down when traveling. This is an annoying flaw, though applying “flat fields” or ad hoc local adjustments should eliminate this. As you surmised, the a7III is the first and only Sony mirrorless I’ve used. in-camera dark frame subtraction) off and on. Neither compression nor LENR invoked “star eating.”. I show only the Sony and Nikon compared here, shot at the common range of ISOs used for nightscape shooting, 800 to 12800. It's perfect for street photos. But this test re-emphasized my thoughts that Canon DSLRs remain the best for long-exposure deep-sky imaging where you can give images as much exposure time as they need, while the ISO invariant Sony and Nikons exceed at nightscape shooting where exposures are often limited and plagued by dark shadows and noise. Hi, it all depends on what you want to buy or already have for lenses.  This button is perfectly situated to press for auto focus, either while the camera is hand-held or when it is perched on a tripod. So points to Sony here. Precision focusing is aided by the ability to quickly magnify any portion of the composition to visually adjust focus. The latest firmware update for the A7Rii now allows you to assign a Custom Button to “Live View Display”. The Sony still showed some discoloration artifacts and added noise when boosting images by +4 EV that the Nikon did not. One supplier of filter-modified cameras, Spencer’s Camera, also refuses to modify Sonys, because this glow renders them poor choices for filter modification, for those wanting cameras with deeper red sensitivity. First, only a small number of menu parameters can be saved, namely, those that occur in the Camera Settings Tab. In default mode the LCD is powered on and the EVF is off. With the latest firmware, A7 III, A7R III and A9 all get Interval Meter built into the camera. While i know how to turn on LENR, does this apply only to jpegs, or to RAW shooting as well? Hi Alan, thanks for this detailed review. Here’s another area where the new Sony a7III really shines. Video I wish I could give an in-depth review of the video features in the Sony a7II because the video features are one of the main reasons a lot of people buy this camera. With the 5D MKII you could take 5 lights. But you can see that same effect a bit in the Nikon images, too. Perhaps this is because it does not even appear anywhere within the massive Sony menu system, and is covered by a mere sentence or two buried deep in the Sony A7Rii User Manual. Another power drainage issue with the Sony A7Rii results from the default behavior of the LCD/EVF during camera usage. When used with the Genie Mini (below) the Sony fired at only every other pulse if it was in Single shot mode, an oddity of Sony’s firmware. Why the change? If you want to save parameters from the Custom Settings Tab or the Setup Tab however, you are out of luck. With default settings, the LCD monitor remains powered on for the duration of the exposure(s). Hi, Alan. Even if you could get a mirrorless camera to focus without a lens adapter to add the extra spacing, the image quality across the field might be compromised on many telescopes. Bright Monitoring does not appear in any of the in-camera menus you can scroll through, so you won’t stumble across it. However, while the Sony has a Bulb setting there is no Bulb Timer as there is with the Canon. Iet’s say you are comparing similar size photos between sensors that have larger vs smaller pixels. So beware! Camera Settings 1 > Peaking Setting. And what you want to use the camera for. Turn on LENR and it is possible to shoot three (with the 6D MkII) or four (with the 6D) Raw images in quick succession even with LENR turned on. Why would that be? Up to now my report on the Sony a7III hasn’t shown as glowing a performance as all the YouTube reviews would have you believe. For the intervalometer, I don’t see a setting for exposure duration, just interval, start time, and number of exposures. Because I use the Sony A7Rii primarily for astro-landscape photography, where focusing (and confirming focus) on pinpoint stars is both vital and difficult, I want every advantage I can get. Exposure is set with the camera shutter speed making 30s the maximum. Some of the techniques in use by astro-landscape photographers make the use of LENR impractical as well. While I am excited about the potential of after-market apps, the implementation of the idea by Sony has been a disappointment. For urban nightscapes, I will usually set the color temperature to 2700ºK if sodium vapor fixtures provide the predominant ambient light. So informative and helpful. The successful stitching of panoramas can also be affected by the movement of the stars when there is a lengthy delay between shooting each panel of the panorama. It is only a matter of pressing one button to review the image, so there is really no penalty for setting Auto Review to Off. Yes, and the a7III is poor in that it has the amp glow I show in the Deep-Sky images. I.E. In Live View it is possible to make the image so bright you can actually see the Milky Way live on screen! This would be much tougher to eliminate in deep-sky images where the extreme contrast boosts we typically apply to images of nebulas and galaxies will accentuate any odd glows. However, like other, i must say on that the star eater is not gone on the A7s3. Is it iso invariant enough that it doesn’t matter, or are certain iso’s slightly better in your opinion for night sky images than the tier 2 base iso of 640? Canon really needs to improve their sensors to keep in the game. That’s why we do science! 1/125 auto min SS ISO Invariance  Does adapting the Roki SP on the Sony body somehow compromises the image quality (in terms or sharpness, distortion, coma…)? But Live Focus is where the a7III really stands out. Over the last year or so, firmware updates from Sony introduced a much-publicized penchant for Sony Alphas to “eat” stars even in Raw files, apparently due to an internal noise reduction or anti-aliasing routine users could not turn off. Sony A7 III, A7R III, A9 Low Light Settings: Image Stabilisation. Another common scenario for this system to go awry is when the camera is carried by a neckstrap or chest harness. I’m at a loss for words except that this is one of the best I’ve ever seen for my A7Rii. It varies with even Canon full-frame. Sony has incorporated an API (Application Program Interface) into firmware on the A7Rii, which gives third-party developers some limited abilities to create apps that can be purchased and installed into the camera system. To enable me to capture images with appropriate settings (and not have to kick myself when I get home for having wasted a photo opportunity due to inappropriate settings) I apply what I call the SAIFFER settings (Shutter-­Aperture‐ISO-­Focus-­Focal Length-Exposure-­Raw). Not essential, but having two card slots is very helpful, for backup, for handling overflows from very long time-lapse shoots, or assigning them for stills vs. movies, or Raws vs. JPGs. My hope is that the poor initial implementation of downloadable apps by Sony does not kill this wonderful concept before it has a chance to mature. Sony also includes a Function Menu, where you can place twelve settings on a screen that appears at the press of the [Fn] button. https://blog.kasson.com/a7riii/the-sony-a7riii-eats-stars/ Since publishing the first results a number of people commented with suggestions for further testing, to check claims that: For the additional tests, I shot all images within a 3-hour span on the night of June 5/6, using the Sony a7III, Nikon D750, and Canon 6D MkII, with the respective lenses: the Laowa 15mm lens at f/2, the Sigma 14mm Art at f/2, and the Rokinon 14mm SP at f/2.5. then, even in your case with ~3pixels wide stars, the comparison between 3.2s and 4s clearly shows a reduction of the stars “peak” brigthness, and notably less weak stars. SAIFFER Settings Set up your camera with the following settings: Shutter Speed: Use1/60 sec or faster […] If the sensors have the same area it is more likely you will see no difference in noise given the same level of technology. So it is great to have one available on the Sony. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. It is good, though not great, for long-exposure deep-sky imaging. Because the LENR process has the camera take a second shot of the scene, this time with the shutter closed, the camera is unavailable for use while the dark frame is taken and the image is processed. It is much appreciated even in 2019 December. First, the automated eyepiece sensor switching is disabled during LCD use, so that the photographer makes the choice of which display to use. The S/N ratio is determined by the individual pixels — they don’t know how big a sensor they belong to and won’t behave differently in a cropped sensor vs a large sensor. Thanks again. This is wonderful for taking a set of noise-reduced deep-sky images for later stacking. I shot with the Sony a7III on Single shot drive mode, on Continuous Low drive mode (with the camera controlling the shutter speed in both cases), and a set with the Sony on Bulb and the shutter speed set by an external Vello intervalometer. With a fast enough UHS-II Class card it can record 4K video up to 30 frames per second and at a bit rate of either 60 or 100 Mbps. ( Log Out /  I would upgrade to M3 and above. Don’t believe me? Star Eater Well, it seems a7iii can be used for astrophotography, then what about a7riii? Not verbal arguments about how you think the sensor should behave. Long exposures showed just as many stars as did short exposures. This makes it so easy to frame nightscapes and deep-sky fields. The a7 III is Sony’s new entry-level full-frame mirrorless camera. I trust you’ll find the review of value. When comparing 1600 to 1600 from my a7ii to a7iii there isn’t much in it, 3200 vs 3200 it’s maybe half a stop – 6400 maybe 2/3 of a stop. I do not customize the Control Wheel at all. The resulting values and graph show the Sony actually measured worse for noise than the Nikon at each high ISO speed, 3200 to 12800, though with both performing much better than the Canon. These are from DPReview’s noise comparison test images. Just info for those who have never seen the apps. Sony says those buying a M3 camera are going to be pros and do not need the apps. The Custom Key Settings can be assigned by navigating to Tab 2 (Custom Settings), Page 7 in the Sony Menu system. This is really pixel peeping at 400%. If stars are colored and misshapen at the single pixel level that’s deBayering. SONY: I deducted marks from the Sony a7III for deep-sky imaging for its lack of a light frame buffer, poor red sensitivity, odd LENR performance, and purple amp glow not seen on the other cameras and that dark frames did not eliminate. Also the best thing is ISO Invariance from 800 to 51200 with the least amount of noise for Mark 2 cameras and above. The Sony a7III is a superb camera for still and time-lapse nightscape shooting, and excellent for real-time aurora videos. I have learned that night shots below 800 are noisier so for what it is worth. It could be my photos are not quite good enough to tell a difference but it seems to be mostly a non issue to me. Be aware that if you set Remote Control to On, the camera will not enter Power Saving mode, and your battery will drain quickly. I appreciate the work and dedication. The image displayed by the LCD monitor or EVF screen is actually a jpeg representation of the RAW sensor data, which uses the white balance setting to derive the jpeg image. In the meantime, Sony commands the full-frame mirrorless market. The firmware, pixel size and pixel characteristics are also all the same. The auto focus system on most digital cameras is activated by default with a half-press of the shutter button. (True 4K is actually 4096 x 2160 pixels.). Perhaps I’ll add examples to show that, but I would invite you to take your own Raw files of tracked star images shot with a Sony, Nikon, and Canon camera and develop them with Adobe Camera Raw, Capture One, DxO, Affinity, Luminar, ON1 Photo RAW, and Raw Therapee’s various modes. This feature is little known and utilized, and only Canon full-frame cameras offer it. I put it on C2, making it easy to call up when needed. Mirrorless systems are shrinking the size of the camera body, and with that comes smaller batteries with less capacity than their DSLR siblings. The good news is that there are great, simple methods of eliminating hot pixel noise from images in post processing, so there is really no need to use in-camera LENR. I did this testing in preparation for the new third edition of my Nightscapes and Time-Lapse eBook, which includes information on Sony mirrorless cameras, as well as many, many other updates and additions! To alleviate random (high ISO) noise from an image, many photographers have adopted a method of stacking up to a dozen sequential exposures, for the purpose of averaging out random, high ISO noise. Bulb Timer or Long Exposures Indeed, the ease of manually focusing in Live View is a key function. The small tree at the top of the image looked very different with the two cameras. I may upgrade to A7SM2 and compare to A7M3. The name might suggest that Bright Monitoring simply boosts the brightness setting of the display, but this is incorrect. No difference. By assigning the Application List to the [C4] button, I can easily switch to using my tablet device for camera control. The Zebra Pattern is a visual highlights warning system that shows a zebra stripe pattern on portions of an image that are exposed to the percentage specified in this menu option. Sony provides four methods to help overcome this problem: Of the four methods listed above, the one most effective in simplifying use of the Sony A7Rii is item 4, Custom Key assignments. As its name implies, a mirrorless camera lacks the reflex mirror of a digital single lens reflex camera that, in a DSLR, provides the light path for framing the scene though the optical viewfinder. I find there’s more of a gap the higher of an ISO you use. But it is compatible with many external intervalometers and controllers. Levels of luminance and chrominance noise were excellent and similar to – but surprisingly not better than – the Nikon D750. Have you done this testing? The images shown here were shot at lower ISOs to underexposure the dark scene by 2 to 4 stops or EV. However, if the collection area is large, the incident “stream”/pixel is larger = less affected by variations. Here I compare all three cameras for this effect in two-minute tracked exposures taken with Long Exposure Noise Reduction (i.e. AEL Button (switch in DOWN position) – Bright Monitoring. Together, it makes for a better composition. See the previous section on Back Button Focusing for additional details. This is much more apparent when comparing files of those ISO levels from dpreviews studio tests between the bodies. Both of these problems can be overcome with the settings I describe. I have found the use of the Digital Filter app really good to capture the Milky Way above Sky Glow. Set your camera’s aperture as low as possible. Interval meter is here now! Turning on LENR did eliminate most hot pixels in long exposures, but not all. There are various Creative Style presets available on the Sony A7Rii including Standard, Vivid, Neutral, Portrait, Landscape, B&W, Clear, Deep, Light, Night, Autumn, Sepia and Sunset. Fair enough. Basically it’s this — “Unfortunately, Sony users are out of luck, as none of the popular control programs (AstroPhotography Tool, ImagesPlus, MaxIm DL, Nebulosity, or PRISM) support Sony cameras.”. OK, let’s try that. Indeed, at slower ISOs and longer exposures, more stars are visible. Nevertheless, for the demands of nightscape and deep-sky shooting and processing, I suggest shooting Uncompressed Raws. Tripods, releases, filters, flashlights and other things for special effects. It works very well. Give me a Canon full-frame any day for prime-focus deep-sky shooting. The button assignments and menu settings I have arranged over the past two years reflect my usage of the Sony A7Rii, which is my night photography workhorse. I like its image stacking options, which can help alleviate the noise and artifacts in still images, but aren’t practical for time-lapses. Which camera in the set has the lowest noise? In Continuous mode, I think the effect is still there but maybe a little less. By setting the color temperature in camera close to that which actually exists in the scene, the monitor image will more closely resemble the actual scene. This is good news, as astrophotography requires fast, high-quality lenses, and the Sony allows more choices. But if the Sony had a built-in intervalometer…! The settings are suitable for both the A7RIII and A9 cameras and include the following settings: Recommended shooting Mode and Aperture File Format and File Type Drive Mode, Focus Mode … BUT … what the Sony did exhibit was better details in the shadows than the Nikon. With a Firmware 2.0 Update, Sony added an optional 14-bit uncompressed, “lossless” RAW file format. The correct exposure for the scene was 30 seconds at ISO 6400 and f/2. My philosophy has been to capture the maximum amount of useful data my equipment is capable of, and maintain the quality of that data throughout my workflow whenever possible. If your photo is too dark, add more time to the shutter speed until the exposure is right. None have been tempting until the a7III came out. This seems to be related to availability and quality of Sony SDKs, and is a big barrier for me. These beginner-friendly camera settings and tips should help you get your first successful image of the night sky. Anyway, the a7III does look compelling. Second, it appears that Bright Monitoring turns off after a period of inactivity, while Live View Display does not. Illuminated Buttons  Heck, BY EOS won’t even work with my 6D MkII — I just tested it again in preparation for a workshop I’m doing in a couple of weeks. The top-level tabs are: Under each top-level tab are up to 9 sub-pages of menu choices. Sony A7 III, A7R III, A9 Astro Settings: ISO. I love to shoot the night sky, especially with a wedding couple. When operating the camera controls by touch in the darkness of night, it is easy to press the red [Record] button on the side of the camera by mistake. As versatile as a mirrorless camera is for lens choice, making use of that versatility requires buying the right lens adapter(s). But no more! This is a very excellent and demanding review with a lot of effort on your part using 3 cameras at one time “BRAVO”. Shutter speeds can be as slow as 1/4-second, allowing real-time aurora shooting at reasonable ISO speeds. I have discovered through trial and error that keeping the default USB Connection setting on Auto can lead to intermittent misoperation of several popular brands of intervalometers. Auto 100-8000 ISO range. This would explain why in your first test the +4 EV image (iso 400) and in your second test the +3 and +4 EV images (iso 200, iso 400) appear iso variant. It may be more serious on other Sony alphas. It is a step in the right direction, but not an optimal solution regarding ease of use. The Sony test report is revised to explain this. Yes, that’s the point. I put your settings on my camera and tested in my living room with no lights but a street light coming in from behind and a dark outside through a half circle window. To me, the star eater effect on the Sony a7III is a non-issue. Do you know that for a fact from personal tests? I leave Auto Review off because much of my night photography involves taking many exposures in quick succession, either for image stacking, star circles, or stitched panoramas. This is because the 4 stops underexposed image was at iso 400, just under the camera’s dual gain system in the sensor. On my Sony cameras, I assign a button located on the top right on the back of the camera to control auto-focus, thus taking it off its default shutter-button setting. I turn the LCD Monitor Brightness to the lowest setting for three reasons. The default setting of 0 seems to be ideal for night focusing with the EVF. It is a valuable tool used to identify exactly where clipping will take place. This is all with Raws developed with Adobe Camera Raw. Yes, the a7III softens stars and noise slightly but I do not consider it to be “eating stars.” Stars are all there, to the same limiting magnitude in shots taken with other camera brands. The disadvantage is that full-time live view draws more power, with mirrorless cameras notorious for being battery hungry. The other Live View function that works well, but also needs assigning to a C button is the Camera Settings 1 > Focus Magnifier. Forget the verbal arguments from authority — I invite you to do the experiment. Even with Canons that have a Bulb Timer for exposures >30s you can’t use it with the internal intervalometer. And not for filter modification. While a built-in intervalometer is not essential, I find I often do use the Canon and Nikon in-camera intervalometers for simple shoots. Landscape photographers, though not great, for long-exposure deep-sky imaging 47 Mb size as normal frames! Is compatible with many external intervalometers and controllers name might suggest that Bright Monitoring can be placed each. Seems a7III can be programmed for oft-used functions, making them easy to quickly magnify any of. 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