Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. I should have or you should have? Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. Greg, Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. 5) shun folks that have left the church They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. 5. He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? There is every value in appealing only to present adherence to the New Testament as ones sole authority for faith and practice. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. My brother attends an IFB church. It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. What does this have to do with our discussion? First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. @Saved By Grace http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. Some Baptist historians, have made attempts at doing this, but in many cases refer to groups as early Baptists who did not in fact hold to pure Baptist beliefs as held today. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. The church I left about 2 years ago had very nasty tracts in the back of the church that said horrible things about other translations, calling them perversions and so forth and actually saying outright lies about other translations. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. . Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. 77. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. For example, G.L. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. How can you not see that? My point is that Tithing is good since Jesus says they should not have left it undone. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. Steve must have been on vacation or something. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. 6. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. Desire your best & healing in Lord Jesus if not. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. 7.) Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. And to top it off you have very strange sayings that I have no idea what they mean, the last half of the verse at Acts 9:5 is an example It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks WHAT! The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. We believe that Jesus is the only one who can reconcile us to God. The list is endless. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. The business is listed under baptist church category. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Filter Churches. For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. It was horrible. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. As far as I can tell, we are not cultic in any way and just like any other denomination we have our doctrinal differences. 3.) In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. Any idiot can do that. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. This again cannot be proven from history. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. 74. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. We should stand out because we are different. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. G.L. Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they I am having a hard time figuring you out. John 10:10, But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. Churches in USA; Churches in Canada; Churches in Australia; Churches in the UK; Churches Worldwide . Ive experienced this kind of power over and over again in the church. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . Tithing is a good thing to do & I believe God can be glorified if done with right heart, intent & purporses. The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. 4.) No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. The faulty logic here comes from not paying attention to the Scripture. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament.